Experience vs Inexperience debate
Experience vs youngster seems to be a big debate with Spurs fans right now with all the players we are being linked to being young.
Some are concerned that the youngsters need experience but what exactly is experience? Playing football at the highest level you would say or someone with plenty of Premier League football under their belt, well how much is plenty?
The transfer window is not even open yet but Tottenham want to do their business early, they want to secure young talent to develop. Of course fans as part of the argument totally ignore wages and whether they fit our structure.
Ron Vlaar is 30, he has experience but in 2 years he'll be 32 and will need to be sold, besides which whose development do you stunt by playing him instead, Eric Dier or Kevin Wimmer, who we believe will develop into a high class centre-back? We have experience in Vertonghen and Fazio, who didn't set the world alight but will undoubtedly be better next season.
Yet again we have Spurs fans wanting to sell players after a year but in the same breath for their favourites they'll say it was only his first year, he needs time to adapt. There are arguments on both sides, if the player has the ability to adapt you believe then you keep him, if he has too many faults then you don't. For me Vlad Chiriches was never going to adapt for example he simple has too many deficiencies in his game.
There is good and bad in signing Vlaar but he is too old and will prevent Dier playing, who need game time at centre-back to develop, he won't get it watching Vlaar.
André Ayew is 25 but with plenty of experience already, he is a decent winger but his wage demands price him out of a move. Plenty of clubs are talking to him and he has stated he wants Champions League football, however nobody is wiling to match his demands. Roma turned him down, Inter turned him down, Stoke City, West Ham and now Swansea have signed him. So much for European football, pretty clear it's all about wages and who will pay them.
Whether we like it or not wages are a consideration, you pay him the reported £70,000-a-week (US$106,890 - AUS$140,327 - €96,252) he wanted and all the other players will want wage increases, suddenly your wage bill is out of control and with a stadium to build we need it under control. Some reports suggest he was asking for £100,00-a-week (US$153,045 - AUS$198,870 - €135,782), the same as Yevhen Konoplyanka is asking.
I have talked before about QPR when they came up simply buying experience but the players were only interested in the money, not the club. Emmanuel Adebayor is experienced, Roberto Soldado is experienced, are they doing the youngsters any good? What about Kyle Walker, young but also experienced.
Everyone is looking at this season whereas the club are looking ahead. It's exactly what I have been calling for to be able to compete, build a young side that stays together, grows within the same playing system together, becomes experienced together.
We got torn apart by Basel at White Hart Lane and should have been hammered instead of scraping a 2-2 draw in the UEFA Europa League in 2013. That is exactly what we need to be aiming for, a side who know a system inside out and whose off the ball running makes them a far better team than their individual parts.
That is only achieved by playing together, not by playing the Ron Vlaar's of this world and giving Eric Dier the odd game. You can try and build a side to compete or keep changing it to try and compete, an experienced payer has a limited shelf life. It's the Harry Redknapp syndrome, he bought the like of Louis Saha and Ryan Nelsen, hardly planning for tomorrow.
Christain Benteke is another name thrown out as experienced, yes but he is known to want almost guaranteed football, he is not interested in sitting on a bench watching Harry Kane. We are not changing our system and certainly not to accommodate one temporary player, we have to buy players who fit the system. He is like Charlie Austin both want to be playing not on the bench.
We seem to have one set of fans who want experience and forget two years time, another set who want a marquee singing, these are what I call the designer label fans, the signing is for their ego nothing else, then the set who understand our financial constraints and support the 'project' we are currently embroiled in.
Experience only comes with playing, after next season Kane, Bentaleb, Mason, Dier will have two seasons under their belt, Fazio will have two plus his European experience, Eriksen, Lamela, Chadli will have three seasons Premier League experience plus European experience (yes I know lamela was injured for one but he will have been here three), add to that Walker, Rose, Vertonghen and Lloris and you wouldn't then class the squad as inexperienced.
Take that into the next season and we have an experienced team growing together who will be challenging for the Champions League spots.
What we are trying to do, as is shown by our pursuit of 19-year-old Anthony Martial (Monaco), which was leaked to the press by his agent we believe and our interest in 19-year-old Obbi Oulare (Anderlecht), is to buy the best young talent and develop it. Both of these players are expected to be the next superstars.
The prices being talked about for Martial tell you of his quality and the potential he is expected to fulfil. He and Oulare get talked about in terms of Barcelona, Real Madrid, Manchester United, Bayern Munich, Juventus standard clubs. They are all watching. We are trying to buy them before they go to these clubs, we then have the possibility of joining them in the UEFA Champions League and staying there, even keeping players of this ilk as we progress.
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Some are concerned that the youngsters need experience but what exactly is experience? Playing football at the highest level you would say or someone with plenty of Premier League football under their belt, well how much is plenty?
The transfer window is not even open yet but Tottenham want to do their business early, they want to secure young talent to develop. Of course fans as part of the argument totally ignore wages and whether they fit our structure.
Ron Vlaar is 30, he has experience but in 2 years he'll be 32 and will need to be sold, besides which whose development do you stunt by playing him instead, Eric Dier or Kevin Wimmer, who we believe will develop into a high class centre-back? We have experience in Vertonghen and Fazio, who didn't set the world alight but will undoubtedly be better next season.
Yet again we have Spurs fans wanting to sell players after a year but in the same breath for their favourites they'll say it was only his first year, he needs time to adapt. There are arguments on both sides, if the player has the ability to adapt you believe then you keep him, if he has too many faults then you don't. For me Vlad Chiriches was never going to adapt for example he simple has too many deficiencies in his game.
There is good and bad in signing Vlaar but he is too old and will prevent Dier playing, who need game time at centre-back to develop, he won't get it watching Vlaar.
André Ayew is 25 but with plenty of experience already, he is a decent winger but his wage demands price him out of a move. Plenty of clubs are talking to him and he has stated he wants Champions League football, however nobody is wiling to match his demands. Roma turned him down, Inter turned him down, Stoke City, West Ham and now Swansea have signed him. So much for European football, pretty clear it's all about wages and who will pay them.
Whether we like it or not wages are a consideration, you pay him the reported £70,000-a-week (US$106,890 - AUS$140,327 - €96,252) he wanted and all the other players will want wage increases, suddenly your wage bill is out of control and with a stadium to build we need it under control. Some reports suggest he was asking for £100,00-a-week (US$153,045 - AUS$198,870 - €135,782), the same as Yevhen Konoplyanka is asking.
I have talked before about QPR when they came up simply buying experience but the players were only interested in the money, not the club. Emmanuel Adebayor is experienced, Roberto Soldado is experienced, are they doing the youngsters any good? What about Kyle Walker, young but also experienced.
Everyone is looking at this season whereas the club are looking ahead. It's exactly what I have been calling for to be able to compete, build a young side that stays together, grows within the same playing system together, becomes experienced together.
We got torn apart by Basel at White Hart Lane and should have been hammered instead of scraping a 2-2 draw in the UEFA Europa League in 2013. That is exactly what we need to be aiming for, a side who know a system inside out and whose off the ball running makes them a far better team than their individual parts.
That is only achieved by playing together, not by playing the Ron Vlaar's of this world and giving Eric Dier the odd game. You can try and build a side to compete or keep changing it to try and compete, an experienced payer has a limited shelf life. It's the Harry Redknapp syndrome, he bought the like of Louis Saha and Ryan Nelsen, hardly planning for tomorrow.
Christain Benteke is another name thrown out as experienced, yes but he is known to want almost guaranteed football, he is not interested in sitting on a bench watching Harry Kane. We are not changing our system and certainly not to accommodate one temporary player, we have to buy players who fit the system. He is like Charlie Austin both want to be playing not on the bench.
We seem to have one set of fans who want experience and forget two years time, another set who want a marquee singing, these are what I call the designer label fans, the signing is for their ego nothing else, then the set who understand our financial constraints and support the 'project' we are currently embroiled in.
Experience only comes with playing, after next season Kane, Bentaleb, Mason, Dier will have two seasons under their belt, Fazio will have two plus his European experience, Eriksen, Lamela, Chadli will have three seasons Premier League experience plus European experience (yes I know lamela was injured for one but he will have been here three), add to that Walker, Rose, Vertonghen and Lloris and you wouldn't then class the squad as inexperienced.
Take that into the next season and we have an experienced team growing together who will be challenging for the Champions League spots.
What we are trying to do, as is shown by our pursuit of 19-year-old Anthony Martial (Monaco), which was leaked to the press by his agent we believe and our interest in 19-year-old Obbi Oulare (Anderlecht), is to buy the best young talent and develop it. Both of these players are expected to be the next superstars.
The prices being talked about for Martial tell you of his quality and the potential he is expected to fulfil. He and Oulare get talked about in terms of Barcelona, Real Madrid, Manchester United, Bayern Munich, Juventus standard clubs. They are all watching. We are trying to buy them before they go to these clubs, we then have the possibility of joining them in the UEFA Champions League and staying there, even keeping players of this ilk as we progress.
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Levy vs The Unknown, a further delve into Tottenham
2 comments
Jake
no progress for the club into champs league but keeping spurs PLC & ERNIC in pocket.